Setting up webORB for a non .NET guy… jeez Microsoft!

So Devin and I are looking at WebORB for work, since we’re (hopefully) wrapping up our XML over HTTP nightmare, and have no interest in repeating it.

The .NET guys are doing their own research into WebORB, but we wanted to take a look from a Flex Developer angle, plus neither of us is a .NET guy. Hell I’m not even a "Windows guy" anymore. Makes my skin crawl ;)

At any rate, big thanks to Mark, for helping us through the set up, which if you’re not a .NET developer ain’t raindows and inicorns. More like chupalacabras and toe fungus.

To start, I had to get IIS installed on XP (Devin is on Vista, his experiences were a little rougeher than mine, and thankfully he went first my set up didn’t take too long.) no biggy, go grab my XP disk. (One note, this is all being done in Parallels.)

I assumed I’d have to install .NET 2 since Devin did on Vista, but some how I already had it. that’s a plus.

So, step one now. Run the WebORB installer. No problems there, kudos to Mark ‘n company.

Not sure if this next one is a webORB, Windows, Mozilla, or planetary alignment issue, but the links for the webORB management console, diagnostics, etc won’t directly open. I have to copy the URL from the shortcut and paste it into FireFox. Weird, but whatever, easily handled with a  bookmark.

Management console loaded and I see a familiar screen, Devin got it too. the console loads, but only with documentation tabs, no actual management, deployment, etc tabs. no .NET 2

Back to IIS, looking in the WebORB virtual directory, and sure enough ASP.NET no version is selected. Why? Beats me. I select v 2.0.25727 (I think that’s the number) and hit apply.

Back to the Console, still nothing. I try the diagnostic url, provided with WebORB. Errors. Great at least I know what’s wrong. I fixed the problem before thinking about posting this so no screen shot, but the error was something to do with metabase permissions in IIS. I have no idea what that means.

The erros offers a link to the knowledgebase, so I go there, read a little. I find out there’s a tool to register IIS ,NET or something with something else. Sorry it’s not more technical, but it’s all M$ weirdness, I can’t fathom.

Thankfully when Devin and I hit this error on his box, Mark sent us a great write up on what to do…

1. Open a command prompt window
2. Change current directory to
[WINDOWS HOME]\Microsoft.NET\Framework

\v2.0.50727
3. Run the following command:
aspnet_regiis -i

So, i run that and head back to the diagnostics…. no errors!! I feel like a contestant on that old game show, "No whammies, no whammies, no whammies!". I hit refresh on the management console and am greated by all sorts of sweet looking WebORB deployment and management options.

Now the fun part, getting a .NET back end CRUD set up without knowing a single thing about .NET

I’ll keep you posted!

 

21 thoughts on “Setting up webORB for a non .NET guy… jeez Microsoft!

  1. Campbell Post author

    Yeah configuration of IIS is the biggest killer. But like any server software there is always alot of configuration to get things working. I wouldnt have a clue how to do ngnix under linux…..

    If your after CRUD stuff for now…. try WebOrb’s Data management, its like ActiveRecord, in that you create a database structure and generate flex model code from that:
    http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/dotnet/wdmf-faq.shtm

    Then if you want to go totally custom, get your .NET people at work to check out the Castle Project (ActiveRecord for .NET) Failing that they can just use metadata tags in their existing .NET Enterprise level ( over bloated ) classes ;)

  2. thad Post author

    Check out the "Full Crud" under Data Management (WDMF) Examples. WebORB is sweet. I especially like the Code generator calculate ROI feature and the licensing model they use.

  3. online shopping Post author

    Sounds like quite an experience. To be honest, I don’t know much about anything that you’re talking about. All I know is that I wholly comiserate with you ñ I’m no longer a Windows guy. I’ve moved over to Linux, and everything there is just so much more sweeter. It’s not even half as non-user friendly as my windows lover buddies tell me (or, tried to convince me of.) It’s a heck of a lot more simpler, and everything is just WORKING.

  4. chris Post author

    I’ve been trying to get the 3.5 framework version of WebORB installed/setup on Win2k3Server for past few days. The Data Mgmt and Code Generator stuff is pretty cool (conceptually) but I’ve been having a ton of timeouts and SQL loops and it’s really turned into wild goose chase after chase trying to figure out why something works, then it doesn’t, then it does again. I almost wish they spent the time they used making the Data Mgmt console on documenting (or QA’ing) everything better or something. I’m having to do /iisresets multiple times a day to keep it running!

    If I was prone to jumping to conclusions I would say that it sure seems like WebORB is intentionally designed/documented to be *just* buggy/cryptic enough for some folks to be forced to sign up for a support plan. :(

    It’s a cool product don’t get me wrong – I’m just really frustrated with it at the moment because it comes off as "plug-and-play" like but in reality it’s far from it.

  5. John Wilker Post author

    @Chris,

    Have you tried the help forum? Or emailing Mark? They’re very good at trying to help users get through the hurdles. Sorry it’s been so trying.

  6. Chris Post author

    Well I posted something in the forums yesterday – but looking at the # of unanswered posts in the .NET thread, and considering the fact that my post hasn’t even been approved to show up yet – I’m scared of how long it will take to get a response.

    Do you really propose emailing Mark directly? While I am in desperate need of help, I question the notion of a ‘non-paying’ user directly requesting individual troubleshooting help from one of the developers (not that I’d turn it down!)

    Here’s the text of my post in case you or anyone else have bandwidth to process and/or see if anything catches your eye. http://www.box.net/index.php?rm=box_download_shared_file&file_id=f_181427221&shared_name=dh69cr9a84

  7. marcel garc Post author

    Hi, i had the tabs not displaying in the console and ran the aspnet_regiis -i and the tabs showed up, but my problem is that the tabs are gone again, do I have to run the aspnet_regiis -i command everytime I start the machine? or what
    thanks

  8. John Wilker Post author

    @Marcel,

    Weird. YOu know I don’t know, I haven’t touched WebORB in a while now, that would certainly suck if it needed to be run every time. I don’t believe we experienced that.

  9. Campbell

    Yeah configuration of IIS is the biggest killer. But like any server software there is always alot of configuration to get things working. I wouldnt have a clue how to do ngnix under linux…..

    If your after CRUD stuff for now…. try WebOrb's Data management, its like ActiveRecord, in that you create a database structure and generate flex model code from that:
    http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/dotnet/wdmf-faq.shtm

    Then if you want to go totally custom, get your .NET people at work to check out the Castle Project (ActiveRecord for .NET) Failing that they can just use metadata tags in their existing .NET Enterprise level ( over bloated ) classes ;)

  10. thad

    Check out the "Full Crud" under Data Management (WDMF) Examples. WebORB is sweet. I especially like the Code generator calculate ROI feature and the licensing model they use.

  11. chris

    I've been trying to get the 3.5 framework version of WebORB installed/setup on Win2k3Server for past few days. The Data Mgmt and Code Generator stuff is pretty cool (conceptually) but I've been having a ton of timeouts and SQL loops and it's really turned into wild goose chase after chase trying to figure out why something works, then it doesn't, then it does again. I almost wish they spent the time they used making the Data Mgmt console on documenting (or QA'ing) everything better or something. I'm having to do /iisresets multiple times a day to keep it running!

    If I was prone to jumping to conclusions I would say that it sure seems like WebORB is intentionally designed/documented to be *just* buggy/cryptic enough for some folks to be forced to sign up for a support plan. :(

    It's a cool product don't get me wrong – I'm just really frustrated with it at the moment because it comes off as "plug-and-play" like but in reality it's far from it.

  12. online shopping

    Sounds like quite an experience. To be honest, I don't know much about anything that you're talking about. All I know is that I wholly comiserate with you ñ I'm no longer a Windows guy. I've moved over to Linux, and everything there is just so much more sweeter. It's not even half as non-user friendly as my windows lover buddies tell me (or, tried to convince me of.) It's a heck of a lot more simpler, and everything is just WORKING.

  13. Chris

    Well I posted something in the forums yesterday – but looking at the # of unanswered posts in the .NET thread, and considering the fact that my post hasn't even been approved to show up yet – I'm scared of how long it will take to get a response.

    Do you really propose emailing Mark directly? While I am in desperate need of help, I question the notion of a 'non-paying' user directly requesting individual troubleshooting help from one of the developers (not that I'd turn it down!)

    Here's the text of my post in case you or anyone else have bandwidth to process and/or see if anything catches your eye. http://www.box.net/index.php?rm=box_download_shared_file&file_id=f_181427221&shared_name=dh69cr9a84

  14. original oil paintin

    What a fun way to illustrate how you guys get through IIS. You made it appear so simple. I canít wait for your next post.

  15. John Wilker

    @Marcel,

    Weird. YOu know I don't know, I haven't touched WebORB in a while now, that would certainly suck if it needed to be run every time. I don't believe we experienced that.

  16. John Wilker

    @Chris,

    Have you tried the help forum? Or emailing Mark? They're very good at trying to help users get through the hurdles. Sorry it's been so trying.

  17. Elias

    Hello!

    I have problem with weborb for .net. I cant view the management or deployment bar either. I followed the steps in themidnightcoders guide (except step 6 and 7, that didnt work for me). I have Windows Vista Ultimate x86 with SP1 and .NET framwork 3.5 (SP1) installed. It works for my buddy. Another problem is that the whole menu gets blurred after a while and I get a error msg!

  18. Eric Fickes

    Funny finding this post now that I'm working with WebORB.net and Flex too. I've been wrestling with WO, and starting to think most of my problems is platform – VISTA Ultimate. As in, Ultimate nightmare. I finally got the default /weborb30 working ( everything except the Deployment tab ), and now I'm setting up a fresh site outside of the default install. Got all files in place, diagnostics says all is well, weborbconsole has no Management tab. Freaking awesome!

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