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		<title>By: John Wilker</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Wilker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read several dozen eBooks, i&#039;d argue that neither time nor money is currently being spent in layout/conversion. 
 
My point isn&#039;t that eBooks cost nothing to make (though I don&#039;t agree that getting an ISBN, going through distro channels, etc are causes for even a slight increase in cost) it&#039;s that those costs should not prohibit profit at $9.99. I do not believe that $10 worth of labor is involved in creating an eBook from a print book. Conversion to eBook formats is well documented, even for the Kindle and it&#039;s one-off nature.  
 
But yeah I agree, eBooks don&#039;t grow on trees, but they also don&#039;t cost as much as a dead tree version. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read several dozen eBooks, i&#039;d argue that neither time nor money is currently being spent in layout/conversion. </p>
<p>My point isn&#039;t that eBooks cost nothing to make (though I don&#039;t agree that getting an ISBN, going through distro channels, etc are causes for even a slight increase in cost) it&#039;s that those costs should not prohibit profit at $9.99. I do not believe that $10 worth of labor is involved in creating an eBook from a print book. Conversion to eBook formats is well documented, even for the Kindle and it&#039;s one-off nature.  </p>
<p>But yeah I agree, eBooks don&#039;t grow on trees, but they also don&#039;t cost as much as a dead tree version.</p>
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		<title>By: Nic Boshart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nic Boshart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just like to clear up a common misconception that ebooks cost nothing to produce. The conversion cost, while minimal, is a factor. Also, ebooks can&#039;t be laid out the same way as paper books, the have to be entirely redesigned. They also have to be assigned ISBNs, go through distribution channels, and have the same amount or more admin than any paper book per title.  
Conversion isn&#039;t perfect, either, you need to proofread the final ebook file. Long story short, ebooks are not magic and have additional costs associated with them. I&#039;m not sticking up for Sony, they should be making a profit on 9.99 ebooks, a lot of other companies are, I just want people to know that ebooks are not free to make.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to clear up a common misconception that ebooks cost nothing to produce. The conversion cost, while minimal, is a factor. Also, ebooks can&#039;t be laid out the same way as paper books, the have to be entirely redesigned. They also have to be assigned ISBNs, go through distribution channels, and have the same amount or more admin than any paper book per title.<br />
Conversion isn&#039;t perfect, either, you need to proofread the final ebook file. Long story short, ebooks are not magic and have additional costs associated with them. I&#039;m not sticking up for Sony, they should be making a profit on 9.99 ebooks, a lot of other companies are, I just want people to know that ebooks are not free to make.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention eBooks unprofitable at 9.99? I call Shenanigans &#124; johnwilker.com -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Wilker</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Wilker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I thought we might be talking about 2 different kinds of books. Tech books, which I think is a whole different fucked up ball of wax, definitely area different beast. 
 
I&#039;m talking fiction, business books, basically anything that normally selling in the 10-20 buck range as paper. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I thought we might be talking about 2 different kinds of books. Tech books, which I think is a whole different fucked up ball of wax, definitely area different beast. </p>
<p>I&#039;m talking fiction, business books, basically anything that normally selling in the 10-20 buck range as paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug McCune</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug McCune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, ok, I was talking about books that retail for more than $9.99, not cheap paperback titles. I know that Amazon sells many books that retail for more than $9.99 and sell the kindle version for $9.99 at a loss. But I agree that it seems silly to take a paperback that retails for $6 and sell it for $10 just because it&#039;s in electronic form. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, ok, I was talking about books that retail for more than $9.99, not cheap paperback titles. I know that Amazon sells many books that retail for more than $9.99 and sell the kindle version for $9.99 at a loss. But I agree that it seems silly to take a paperback that retails for $6 and sell it for $10 just because it&#039;s in electronic form.</p>
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		<title>By: John Wilker</title>
		<link>http://johnwilker.com/2009/11/ebooks-unprofitable-at-9-99-i-call-shenanigans/comment-page-1/#comment-2654</link>
		<dc:creator>John Wilker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely disagree. Copy-editing, type-setting, marketing, etc don&#039;t go into an eBook any more than they do a mass Market paperback, so why does a mass market paperback run 6 bucks? yet the eBook is $10?  
 
Yes they&#039;re factors of book creation, but once paid out, aren&#039;t paid out again for each edition. I&#039;ll even grant there&#039;s some formatting that needs to be done moving from mm paperback to eBook, etc. but that&#039;s such a small amount I don&#039;t think it&#039;s worth the price difference. Not to mention the number of eBooks I&#039;ve read with crap formatting from simply processing a word doc (or whatever) and not going back to check the formatting.  
 
I&#039;m sure Amazon will squeeze publishers, as Wal-Mart does. I&#039;m certain they already are on dead tree books. But if $9.99 for a digital good is unprofitable, the model is broken, not the price.  
 
The only flaw in comparing to iPhone Apps. The app devs made that bed themselves in racing to the bottom. Authors aren&#039;t setting the price of eBooks, nor are publishers racing to the bottom. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely disagree. Copy-editing, type-setting, marketing, etc don&#039;t go into an eBook any more than they do a mass Market paperback, so why does a mass market paperback run 6 bucks? yet the eBook is $10?  </p>
<p>Yes they&#039;re factors of book creation, but once paid out, aren&#039;t paid out again for each edition. I&#039;ll even grant there&#039;s some formatting that needs to be done moving from mm paperback to eBook, etc. but that&#039;s such a small amount I don&#039;t think it&#039;s worth the price difference. Not to mention the number of eBooks I&#039;ve read with crap formatting from simply processing a word doc (or whatever) and not going back to check the formatting.  </p>
<p>I&#039;m sure Amazon will squeeze publishers, as Wal-Mart does. I&#039;m certain they already are on dead tree books. But if $9.99 for a digital good is unprofitable, the model is broken, not the price.  </p>
<p>The only flaw in comparing to iPhone Apps. The app devs made that bed themselves in racing to the bottom. Authors aren&#039;t setting the price of eBooks, nor are publishers racing to the bottom.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug McCune</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug McCune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazon loses money on most $9.99 e-book sales. They intentionally set the price at $9.99 regardless of what they pay to the publisher, and often the price Amazon pays to the publisher is the same as the paper version. They&#039;re setting the price, waiting it out until they become big enough, and then I assume they&#039;ll go back and put the squeeze on publishers (kind of like Walmart), but for now they&#039;re happily losing money. 
 
Now, of course, to be fair to publishers, you&#039;re estimation of how much work goes into a book is off. The costs that get eliminated for e-books are printing, warehousing, and shipping costs. Those are not the bulk of the cost of a book. Everything else, from editorial to copy-editing to type-setting to marketing, all of that still has to happen. So it&#039;s not that Sony or Amazon has to do more than $9.99 worth of work for a copy of a book, it&#039;s that the publisher does and the publisher can&#039;t sell the book to Sony or Amazon at a loss. 
 
So if the $9.99 price point is successful and becomes the market standard that consumers expect, publishers are going to have to figure out how to make a profit on that, and simply eliminating printing, warehouse, and shipping costs isn&#039;t going to do it.  
 
It&#039;s similar to the market standard of the 99 cent iPhone app, the price has been set regardless of any thought to the cost of production, which is why you can&#039;t sell games that are expensive to build on the iPhone, you simply can&#039;t make your money back at that price. But that&#039;s the price that has been dictated, so you either play ball or don&#039;t make apps for the iPhone. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazon loses money on most $9.99 e-book sales. They intentionally set the price at $9.99 regardless of what they pay to the publisher, and often the price Amazon pays to the publisher is the same as the paper version. They&#039;re setting the price, waiting it out until they become big enough, and then I assume they&#039;ll go back and put the squeeze on publishers (kind of like Walmart), but for now they&#039;re happily losing money. </p>
<p>Now, of course, to be fair to publishers, you&#039;re estimation of how much work goes into a book is off. The costs that get eliminated for e-books are printing, warehousing, and shipping costs. Those are not the bulk of the cost of a book. Everything else, from editorial to copy-editing to type-setting to marketing, all of that still has to happen. So it&#039;s not that Sony or Amazon has to do more than $9.99 worth of work for a copy of a book, it&#039;s that the publisher does and the publisher can&#039;t sell the book to Sony or Amazon at a loss. </p>
<p>So if the $9.99 price point is successful and becomes the market standard that consumers expect, publishers are going to have to figure out how to make a profit on that, and simply eliminating printing, warehouse, and shipping costs isn&#039;t going to do it.  </p>
<p>It&#039;s similar to the market standard of the 99 cent iPhone app, the price has been set regardless of any thought to the cost of production, which is why you can&#039;t sell games that are expensive to build on the iPhone, you simply can&#039;t make your money back at that price. But that&#039;s the price that has been dictated, so you either play ball or don&#039;t make apps for the iPhone.</p>
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