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		<title>Follow up to my Time tracking quest</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Wilker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I&#8217;ve been playing around with a few options and so far it&#8217;s narrowed down to two: Harvest, and Freshbooks. Harvest has a few really good &#8220;pros&#8221; I like that I don&#8217;t have to email the invoice to myself under the clients name in order to get access to it as a PDF. That&#8217;s huge. [...]<p><a href="http://www.launchbit.com/az/77-168/"><img width="468" height="60" src="http://www.launchbit.com/az-images/77-168/" /></a><br />
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I&#8217;ve been playing around with a few options and so far it&#8217;s narrowed down to two: <a href="http://www.getharvest.com/">Harvest</a>, and <a href="http://www.freshbooks.com/" target="_blank">Freshbooks</a>.</p>
<p>Harvest has a few really good &#8220;pros&#8221; I like that I don&#8217;t have to email the invoice to myself under the clients name in order to get access to it as a PDF. That&#8217;s huge. I also like the way the invoice looks.</p>
<p>The major &#8220;con&#8221;, is that it&#8217;s not free. OK OK I know, good things aren&#8217;t and you get what you pay for, which in this case seems to be a pretty good time tracking app. The other &#8220;con&#8221; for me is that I can&#8217;t have a timer. Freshbooks, has a nice little pop up that runs a javascript timer, which is pretty handy.</p>
<p>Freshbooks, is great in that it&#8217;s free. but it&#8217;s a huge PITA to have to put my email in for each client, and &#8220;email&#8221; them the invoice, just so I can get a PDF of it. In my work with UM, I submit an invoie through their intranet, so emailing an invoice is pointless. That&#8217;s a huge drawback.</p>
<p>Both apps seem to have one thing that I&#8217;ve either not figured out, or just doesn&#8217;t work like I expect. When generating an invoice from time tracked, It desn&#8217;t populate a quantity cost. Even though in freshbooks&#8217; case the time I&#8217;m logging is against a work type with an hourly rate. WEIRD. If, when I&#8217;m in invoice mode I then select a type that has the right billable rate, it clears the description. LAME. so in both apps, i have to paste my rate in for each line item, that&#8217;s no fun.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still not sure which service I&#8217;ll go with, which sucks, since that means I have to enter my time 2x, ACK, that sucks!!!</p>
<p>I think Harvest would be the clear winner if it wasn&#8217;t 30 bones a month.</p>
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		<title>Time tracking and billing, whatchu usin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Sean Corfield asked this question a while back, I remember following it with interest. Now it&#8217;s my turn to bring it up again. I&#8217;ve been using my home grown solution for years. I really like it, but in moving servers and such, it&#8217;s had problems. The admin section doesn&#8217;t work since the stored [...]<p><a href="http://www.launchbit.com/az/77-168/"><img width="468" height="60" src="http://www.launchbit.com/az-images/77-168/" /></a><br />
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Sean Corfield asked this question a while back, I remember following it with interest. Now it&#8217;s my turn to bring it up again. I&#8217;ve been using my home grown solution for years. I really like it, but in moving servers and such, it&#8217;s had problems. The admin section doesn&#8217;t work since the stored procs no longer exist. It&#8217;s entirely CF which I just don&#8217;t do much of any more, so maintenance is tedious. Plus I need a windoze box when I need to do any SQL work since the DB is MS SQL.</p>
<p>All that said, I really like it and use it daily to track my time and invoice for it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to find something new though. I don&#8217;t have many requirements really. I want to be able to generate PDFs. Enter time by client/project. Report on time spent by project or in total by week and month. Lastly, be accessible. My current solution is on my web server so I can get to it on any machine. I have .mac so something that uses a flatfile or whatever, would be just fine.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried <a href="http://www.billings2.com/" target="_blank">Billings</a>, it&#8217;s ok. What I don&#8217;t like is that sharing across X machines isn&#8217;t built in. so the solutions are pretty hacky. It also isn&#8217;t easy to update invoices. Sometimes you need to update an entry, take something out, whatever. Billings doesn&#8217;t really do that very well.</p>
<p>I also tried <a href="http://www.freshbooks.com" target="_blank">freshbooks.com</a>. It solves the accessable problem, even has third party tools for widgets and apps to enter data through, should I not want to use the website. The one thing I really don&#8217;t like is that I can&#8217;t just generate an invoice that I&#8217;d email to a client. I can email one from the site, which then gives me a PDF, but by then the client has it. That&#8217;s ok but right now I&#8217;m working with Universal Mind, and their system supports me uploading my invoice, not emailing it to some one.</p>
<p>What else is out there? I&#8217;m contemplating just sucking it up and fixing up my tool, but I&#8217;ve got a few other projects that my wife would like done first :) so I&#8217;d like something I can just use more or less out of the box.</p>
<p>Freshbooks is still in the running. I&#8217;ll be using it tomorrow to track time and see what I think. Oh and in case it wasn&#8217;t clear, it needs to be Mac friendly. Windoze only tools need not apply.</p>
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