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		<title>Apprently asking for or talking about features leads to M$ Word</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Wilker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been a loyal Yojimbo user for a while, and no am not. I posted the why&#8217;s of it before. I am on a support list thread though, because of the question I asked. There&#8217;s a thread going on about &#8220;best note taking app&#8221; Ironically it started as a &#8220;hey you guys, Yojimbo isn&#8217;t listed, [...]<p><a href="http://www.launchbit.com/az/77-168/"><img width="468" height="60" src="http://www.launchbit.com/az-images/77-168/" /></a><br />
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a loyal Yojimbo user for a while, and no am not. I posted the why&#8217;s of it <a href="http://www.johnwilker.com/j/index.cfm/2008/8/1/How-Barebones-lost-me-as-a-customer" target="_blank">before</a>. I am on a support list thread though, because of the question I asked. There&#8217;s a thread going on about &#8220;best note taking app&#8221; Ironically it started as a &#8220;hey you guys, Yojimbo isn&#8217;t listed, but look at the other options&#8230;&#8221; and quickly turned into a Flame war. Here&#8217;s the <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/yojimbo-talk/browse_thread/thread/5b4a0636f7c4c4d0?hl=en" target="_blank">thread</a> for those interested</p>
<p>I chimed in expressing my sadness at leaving the Yojimbo family, agreeing that baseless complaining serves no purpose, but open dialog with the software creator should be a good thing. I really wanto post again, but as is always the case in flame wars, no one cares what anyone has to say.</p>
<p>A few choice points are made (wrongly IMHO), that I want to share with the broader community and software dev audience.</p>
<p>Steve from barebones, joined in early with this gem, &#8220;<span style="color: #0000ff;">We don&#8217;t ship new Yojimbo releases daily, and won&#8217;t share our product<br />
roadmaps and calendars with the public. So what? The last time I<br />
needed Yojimbo (about an hour ago) it seemed to work just fine.<br />
We have more than one product, fewer than infinite engineering<br />
resources, and speaking for myself only, less and less patience for<br />
trolls.</span>&#8221;</p>
<p>My read on this is, &#8220;we&#8217;re doing what we want and if you don&#8217;t like it, STFU. I will say, as it is their company they&#8217;re entitled wo tbuild what they like, and act how they want, but as a consumer and &#8216;disruptive brander&#8217; as Tom calls us, I can say, F that. As in every other industry, you (barebones) exists to serve your customers. you can hate us, publicly and privately but in 2008 that attitude is less and less tolerated.</p>
<p>The last time I needed a VHS tape deck, it worked just fine too, but then I threw it out, because it was outdated, Seems an odd model for a software company to adopt, shoot even Microsoft realizes &#8216;innovate or die&#8217;</p>
<p>Dennis had this little trinket for the list, &#8220;<span style="color: #0000ff;">There isn&#8217;t much more that I want from Yojimbo as it does pretty much<br />
what I bought it for. I&#8217;d still like to be able to sync between two<br />
Macs without going through .Mac/MobileMe, but I&#8217;ve since moved my<br />
installation to my laptop and my work situation is different so it&#8217;s<br />
much less of a big deal than when I was traveling more.</span>&#8221;</p>
<p>So it does everything Dennis wants, except one thing&#8230; mmm Dennis slams Adobe by comparing post sales support at Adobe to post sales support from Barebones. Having never had a need of either, I can&#8217;t comment on that.</p>
<p>fanbo Scott reasons that, &#8220;<span style="color: #0000ff;">i needed to clip a web page a few hours ago. yojimbo worked.<br />
</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">i dropped about 20 pdf&#8217;s into yojimbo over the past 2 days. it worked<br />
just fine then too..<br />
</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">his point is. it isn&#8217;t broken. yojimbo works just fine. no glaring<br />
bugs, it works exactly as intended, with the functions clearly stated<br />
on the web pages and hell you can even try it out as a demo.</span>&#8221;</p>
<p>Great. So Scott must still use Lotus 123, since editing text is editing text. why add features? I&#8217;m guessing scott browses the list on Lynx, since the web is the web, why add new features like rich text or UI.</p>
<p>Yes Yijimbo does what it has done since it was released. great no reason to add new features or keep up with the times. Since using evernote, I&#8217;ve gotten maybe 3 update releases. Yes one was a bug fix. I can&#8217;t recall the last time Yijimbo updated, monthsn easily. a year not unlikely. I wonder if barebones knows that many of us are using smart phones now, we&#8217;ve moved from the flip phone.</p>
<p>A great one from Rich is, &#8220;<span style="color: #0000ff;">Not according to the list description. :-)<br />
</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"> &lt;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://groups.google.com/group/yojimbo-talk/about" target="_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/yojimbo-talk/about</a>&gt;<br />
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Folks, out of respect for those who are interested in discussing<br />
Yojimbo&#8217;s existing features and how to make the most of them,<br />
please continue (or start) any arguments regarding policy or<br />
list etiquette off-list.</span>&#8221;</p>
<p>Apparently BB doesn&#8217;t want discussion of new features or requests, or heavens, complaints on their lists. Fanboys only. I particularly like &#8220;<span style="color: #0000ff;">out of respect for those who are interested in discussing<br />
Yojimbo&#8217;s existing features and how to make the most of them</span>&#8221; As a software developer, I hope my customers never say this. I don&#8217;t want any product I&#8217;m involved in referenced as &#8220;let&#8217;s talk about how to make the most of what we&#8217;ve go (since it&#8217;s all we&#8217;re getting)&#8221; Wow.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll end my (admittedly) rant with fanboy Scott, &#8220;<span style="color: #0000ff;">it&#8217;s one thing to request features. it&#8217;s something else to whine about  lack of sub-folders, lack of iphone version, lack of web version, etc. we&#8217;ve heard it all before.</span>&#8221;</p>
<p>ok 1. Those are all features that current software shops either are working on or support. Evernote; desktop client (mac/PC), Web UI, iPhone app. It ain&#8217;t hard BB. You don&#8217;t ahve that many products so crying &#8220;we&#8217;re busy&#8221; is pretty piss poor. 2. &#8220;heard it before&#8221; that&#8217;s really telling, and the bais of my final post on the list, it&#8217;s sad when feature requests are &#8220;heard it, it ain&#8217;t coming, let&#8217;s get over it&#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say BB is destined for non existence, but I can say, they won&#8217;t be getting my money and I can&#8217;t recommend their products or attitudes to anyone I know.</p>
<p>I as I said in the list, the only recourse is take your business elsewhere. I did that. My only other recourse as a business owner, learn from BB and be 100% the opposite towards my customers.</p>
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		<title>How Barebones lost me as a customer</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Wilker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been using Yojimbo since I got my MacBook pro, almost 3 years ago. Great app, love it! I sync across mobileMe to my macbook AIR, and all my serials, passwords, useful terminal snippits, etc, are all easilly reachable. Then i wanted to extend that useability to my iNewton, and soon iPhone. No go. I [...]<p><a href="http://www.launchbit.com/az/77-168/"><img width="468" height="60" src="http://www.launchbit.com/az-images/77-168/" /></a><br />
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using <a href="http://www.barebones.com/products/yojimbo/index.shtml" target="_blank">Yojimbo</a> since I got my MacBook pro, almost 3 years ago. Great app, love it! I sync across mobileMe to my macbook AIR, and all my serials, passwords, useful terminal snippits, etc, are all easilly reachable.</p>
<p>Then i wanted to extend that useability to my iNewton, and soon iPhone. No go. I started a thread on the support forums, which met with a few &#8220;me too&#8221;s and a &#8220;Barebones doesn&#8217;t share their release time line or product roadmaps with the public&#8221; case closed. The <a href="http://faq.barebones.com/do_getanswer.php?record_id=145" target="_blank">FAQ</a> has this to say,</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">We&#8217;d like to offer an iPhone version of Yojimbo, but can&#8217;t currently say if/when this may happen nor what its feature set might be. As soon as we&#8217;re able to provide more info about our plans, we will do so. </span></p></blockquote>
<p>I understand, not all companies believe in or like transparency or dealing with customers outside a help forum of their control. Fine I get that, lame, but hey, not my company.</p>
<p>But as a consumer, I have to say, that&#8217;s not cool. Shoot, even Apple let&#8217;s the rumors fly, vs flat out saying, &#8220;unlikely to happen now or anytime soon&#8221;. The only reply as a consumer I can make to statements and behaviour like this is to stop using the product, so I did.</p>
<p>I exported every Yojimbo record to a text file, imported each into <a href="http://www.evernote.com/" target="_blank">Evernote</a>. I&#8217;ll be the first to admit, it&#8217;s not Yojimbo. the UI is less clean and easy to use. the feature-set is nice, with OCR, etc. But the real clincher was iNewton app. It&#8217;s not the greatest at the moment, input only, and once you sync you can&#8217;t edit it or any other note. It&#8217;s completely view only on existing notes. But oyu can snap a picture note (iPhone obviously) and enter text notes.</p>
<p>The iPhone app UI needs some love, but there&#8217;s an app, so already it&#8217;s ahead of Barebones. And unlike Barebones who seem to think customers enjoy the dark, evernote posted to their <a href="http://blog.evernote.com/2008/07/16/evernote-iphone-update/" target="_blank">blog</a> about iDevice compatibility, and live updating of data from those devices.</p>
<p>So sadly, after years of being a Yojimbo fan boy, I&#8217;m leaving the fold. Yojimbo is off my dock, and no longer running. I&#8217;ll propbably leave it installed for a while, just in case the export missed a file or two, but new data is not going into it.</p>
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